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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 20, 2009 8:36:24 GMT -5
So just brought home my very first Bradley....wondering if I paid a fair price...$1000. The whole family os looking forward to working on this car together. My fiance and I have 5 kids. The oldest 3 are boys; 11, 10, and 8. Our girls are 6 and 21 months. The boys are excited about the project and even more excited that this is the car they will learn to drive with:) Stick is the best way to go when teaching I think. If you can master driving stick, all will be well! I'm old school, that's how my dad taught me:) I wanted to add more pictures on here, but couldn't get this site to upload more than one picture on this thread:( If I can figure it out, I will add more. The interior is in alright condition, AND it runs!! However, we are going to put a new motor in it....covette I think, and do a lot of customizing as well. Any suggestions would be greatly appreicated as I have never redone a car before. Attachments:
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 20, 2009 9:22:58 GMT -5
Corvette motor huh? Well good luck with that challenge. New frame, massive body work, custom suspension, cooling system....and on and on and on.
Get it running, get it safe, and have fun. Forget the major mods....thats how most of these cars become bird baths.
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Post by bobevans on Aug 20, 2009 9:25:08 GMT -5
Hi...Congrats on the great find. ..a running GT2 for a thousand is a good buy...I have owned 13 GT2's and finding one that runs for that price is a real coup...I really would think over the changing of the engine to a Corvette, though...way too much engine and work for a Bradley..I think that you will find the conversion very unsatisfactory..maybe a porsche or hopped up vw would be a better selection...Just my opinion...it's your car to do with whatever you please...just have fun with it...Welcome to the club.. Bobevans
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Post by big bob on Aug 20, 2009 10:33:52 GMT -5
welcome aboard!
i think you may have emailed me. glad you got the car and a GTII, not a GT. i agree that was a great price. you did good.
theres a LOT of experience on this board, so please take their wisdom, but dont get discouraged. i really believe you should work toward getting the car running, then think about modifications. otherwise you may lose interest.
i'm trying to follow that advice, although i'm close to getting it on the street, i did take a couple of detours!
best of luck.. the best way for pics is to post them through a free service like imageshack or photobucket, then copy those links here. you simply hit the picture icon thats displayed when you're making a post and paste the code between those brackets.
big bob
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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 20, 2009 15:20:11 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the advise so far! I really appreciate it! We thought about a corvette motor because the previous owner had one in there, but changed it out and put the current motor in it that runs 80MPH tops. I'm not too worried about speed and flying around in it, LOL, I just want a great running motor that fits the car. Any suggestions?? We're not sure we can even keep the motor in it now, the clutch is junk, and there are bolts falling off the underside of the car ROFL! Thank God we aren't driving in it!
We have SO much work to do, and plenty of time to get it all done! Looking forward to the big job of making it the best it can be!
BTW, any idea what I can do for the door windows?? The passenger side lost it's plastic clasp closure, and I was thinking about doing something different with the windows, but know I need the ventilation, so I have to be able to open them while driving.....
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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 20, 2009 15:28:06 GMT -5
Another picture Attachments:
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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 20, 2009 15:29:00 GMT -5
One more picture.. Attachments:
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Post by centralvalleygter on Aug 20, 2009 17:07:34 GMT -5
Welcome to the Bradley board, lots of people willing to share their experience here. It does look like you got a great deal.
Because Bradleys are rear engined, the back end wants to make the car spin under hard corning. Putting a heavy v-8 out back would make it much worse. If you are serious about a v-8, you need to make it mid-engine (like Skip20 is doing) or it will be a monster to do anything with except go straight.
Air Cooled VW engines are wonderfully versatile. You can build them to make 150-200hp and still be quite dependable (either normally aspirated or with turbo). Relatively speaking, they are cheap to build (I recently rebuilt a stock one with new crank, align bore, barrels, pistons, rods, bearings, etc. for less than $600, not many engines around that you can do it for that) and parts availability is amazing for their age. With the weight of Bradleys that amount of power results in vette-like performance. CB performance, Bergman, A.J. Simms, etc. can build you a motor, like that, but it will cost $3000-$5000. Buying kits and putting it together yourself can shave about a third. You can actually get much more power out of them, but low-maintenance dependability is no longer a characteristic. You also then have broken trannys and axles, etc. to contend with.
If you are topping out at 80mph, you must have a tired single port engine and small diameter rear tires. I don't know about GT2's, but I've heard the GT1's start to front float at about 90mph, however, I've been close to that speed with no noticeable effects.
Lastly, protect your windshield all you can, they are custom and harder than hen's teeth to find replacements. People are starting to resort to modifying the frame to accept other car glass.
Take care....
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Post by gtmike on Aug 20, 2009 21:56:56 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you mean a corvair engine. I find it a little hard to believe that the car was converted to accept a rather large V8, then converted back to accept a VW engine. But going from a corvair (which is chevy's flat-6) to a VW is a lot more likely. The corvair engine has 110 hp stock, but are famous for throwing fan belts due to their 90* bend.
-MT
By the way, I think you got an excellent deal on the car. Good luck with your project.
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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 20, 2009 22:18:50 GMT -5
So I got to thinking, the previous owner told me the title would say the car is a 65, but that means the chassis is that age, not the body. Can anyone tell me what year it looks like to them?? I really am a car virgin, can you tell?? LOL
Also, could be a corvair engine, but I swear, the previous owner told me it was a vette engine, but he is really old, so maybe he mistaken it??
Fiance is wondering........if there are any schematic book out there for this car, or wiring diagrams that anyone may have that they don't mind sharing with us through email?? Lots of weird electrical things going on with this poor car:)
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Post by gtmike on Aug 20, 2009 22:47:19 GMT -5
There is no way of telling what year the Bradley bodies were made. Even if you are fortunate enough to find the original body number plate attached, there is no rhyme or reason for the numbers they picked. That said, I can tell you that the Bradley GTII kit was made between 1977 - 1979. I am by no means an expert on the GTII (infact, i've never seen one in person) but there are a lot of people here that are. I'm sure someone has the technical information you are looking for.
-M
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Post by centralvalleygter on Aug 20, 2009 22:47:42 GMT -5
The original Bradley GT was made from 71-79 with relatively minor changes. The GT2 like yours were only manufactured in the years 77,78 & 79. No one has yet figured out a relationship between the serial numbers on the bodies and the year of the car, so it is difficult to determine exact years, though there might be a few people who could tell you better from some of the slight changes made from year to year. The following site especially for GT2 owners has some scanned manual info and electrical schematics. www.bradleygt2.com/man/toc.php3I believe Jeff Troy has a CD for the GT2, though not as complete as the one for the GT1, I think it does have the complete manual on it. Check out the following link. www.bradleygt.com/manuals_page2.htmRegards.... Hope this is helpful! Regards....
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Post by skip20 on Aug 21, 2009 5:41:29 GMT -5
Corvette NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Corvair, maybe if you could find one & get parts. Best kept secret: SUBARU 4 cyl w/ or w/o tubro. Alot of infor on the web, tran adp. easy to get, junk car or junk yard, yeh. Complete eng. at Pull-a-part $135.00. Slide right in & will keep you happy for many years, they just run & run & run. Built a Subaru 6 cyl mid-eng & it's alot of work. Link to my pictures; good-times.webshots.com/album/569461591kCFfioGood luck with your new GTII & have fun Aloha Skip
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Post by skip20 on Aug 21, 2009 5:46:38 GMT -5
By the way, I have a complete new ('79) unused butterscotch interior kit for sell. You will see the seat covers in the pictures. Make offer & e-mail at skip@custombadge.com. Skip20
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Post by mj on Aug 23, 2009 19:06:55 GMT -5
I would not even put a Corvair engine into a GTII. They really don't put out more than a very well constructed 2165cc T1 engine with goodies, and IMHO, Corvair engines are just too much trouble. You did OK on the price. Don't worry. The stock GTII is not for high speeds. They are better than a stock Bug, but not great. Do the chassis and suspension and brake work, then worry about anything else. First things first. I got my suspension worked out and now the car drifts through turns with great control. It took lots of work. I still have problems with the front end being too light, and I'm running large tires/wheels and have a custom 12 gallon gas tank mounted far front and low. It needs camber shims, but I have to modify the front wheel wells first. If you want to spend a lot of money on a state-of-the-art hot T1 engine, buy mine. I've got $10K in it, but then it was the first of its kind. Today the same would be $7K.
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Post by fairbanksmommyof5 on Aug 24, 2009 21:50:21 GMT -5
My fiance is tearing into the car, and I think we are going to try and keep the engine that is in it now. Thanks for the links for the manual and the electrical diagram!
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 25, 2009 8:27:14 GMT -5
MJ....caster shims...not camber shims.
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Post by jrjackson13 on Aug 25, 2009 21:53:16 GMT -5
Ok so I am fairbanksmommyof5's fiance, The car has a dual port vw engine.
I just got done gutting the car of interior and wiring and such. The wiring was patched and just a mess half the electrical on the car was not working. Now my question is, is there a after market harness that i could get and where? Also I am looking for new switches and guages and possibly a new stearing colum and wheel, basically i am looking for parts for the interior for cheap as possible. I kept the head liner and such and that is in good shape. The seats on the other hand, had 2 bolts holding them in and the rest of the bottom mounts are rusted and half missing.
I also need to know the right size tires that go on the car, I think I wan to put low profile rubber on it but not sure if it would do anything to the handeling or not. I am not familur with the Bradley,s. So any help is much appreciated. Also suggestions. Thanks Joel
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Post by gtmike on Aug 26, 2009 0:14:48 GMT -5
any basic dune buggy wiring harness would work fine for your car. for additional gauges and/or accessories you would have to wire in separately, but its a good start.
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 26, 2009 8:30:21 GMT -5
1. Wiring harness: You can go with a simple dunebuggy style harness like gtmike has stated. Here is one wired up in a Bradley GT (not GTII): The 8 circuit is just enough to cover the basics. You may want to upgrade to a 12 or more. They are available on EBAY and you still need alot of extra wire for grounds and other circuits. Another source is Craigslist. I just got a 21 circuit harness for a steal. Wiring is not hard, but its also not the easiest for a complete novice. 2. Switches can be anythging you like. From simple toggle, to more automotive style, or even replacements for what you have. The original style GTII switches were Lucas and used in old Jags. I would try scanning EBAY for "Lusac Switches" and see what pops up. My client used these on his GT: 3. Gauges are expensive. I used these Dolphin gauges (again on EBAY): They were about $180 for the set. I did just pick up a complete set of white VDO gauges for my Avenger project for $200 on craigslist though. Both are good resources. 4. Steering columns are generally VW based. They can be an earlier version: or the later version which uses a key incorporated into the column. Or you can add a tilt wheel from a production car or a super slick one from Flaming River (expensive....$400+ for the entire set up):
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Post by centralvalleygter on Aug 26, 2009 11:22:39 GMT -5
One last thing you must remember when wiring a Bradley (or any Fiberglass bodied car) is that you must run ground wires to anything mounted in the body that depends on the mounting for the ground. This may be an issue for tail lights, stereo system, fuel level sender, some of the guages, etc. The guage of the ground wire should be the same as the positive wire, as it carries the same current. Most wiring harnesses do not provide for this, so expect to have to have additional wire and end connectors on hand.
Regards,
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Post by Jeff Troy on Aug 26, 2009 20:11:20 GMT -5
Hi, Joel,
If most of the interior is out, you might consider removing the body and flipping it inverted to handle your wiring tasks. Working under the dash of a Twoie is a lot easier than a GT, but it's still a royal pain.
Follow the schematics, and work on one circuit at a time. It may look intimidating, but if you handle it on a one-by-one basis, you'll do just fine.
Best of luck with your car...
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Post by doug on Aug 27, 2009 5:16:08 GMT -5
I have noticed in HOT VW's in some of the ads, they have a tilt steering for about $100 or so just bolt under dash and add the steering shaft and stuff that you already have........haven't seen one of them in person so it may not be all that easy, but worth checking out
doug
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Post by Wyn on Aug 27, 2009 6:32:11 GMT -5
doug is there a web site for tilt steering assembly? Wyn
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Post by doug on Aug 27, 2009 17:13:32 GMT -5
hey wyn sept hot vw's
page 80 latest rage add near bottom left &115.00
page 17 dans performance parts left side middle of page $95.00
I am thinking of getting one myself...that and the steering wheel disconnect. I think it would make it much easier getting in and out
doug
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Post by dean on Aug 27, 2009 20:34:37 GMT -5
I mounted a tilt in my GT 2 out of a 95 Pontiac Grand Am had to do a few mod's to make it work but $35 at the Bone Yard was way better than the other prices I saw.
Dean
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 28, 2009 8:46:25 GMT -5
www.dansperformanceparts.com/buggy/susp/buggysusp%20steering%20wheel.htmThat seems like you would need to do some serious mods to get it to work. You would need to run a tube across the underside of the dash, you would need at least one u-joint, and your horn/blinker wiring would have to be modified as well. That looks do much better suited for a sandrail that any kit car. Thats the nice thing about the Flaming River set up. It is basically the same tube size as the VW column. So, other than the u-joints, its basically a bolt in, with superior blinker, horn, and flasher wiring.
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Post by Tony O. on Aug 29, 2009 18:13:44 GMT -5
jspbtown,
In the first wiring you pic you posted, is that a turn signal relay pack mounted left of the fuse block? If so, who did you buy it from?
Regards, Tony
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 30, 2009 19:07:10 GMT -5
Tony, No, its not a turn signal pack. They are relays for the headlights, the wipers, and the flashers. The one built into the fuseblock is for the horn.
The relay for the headlights was used because I didn't want to run all the amps through the switch.
The wiper relay is used for the on/off style switch and still allows for the auto park feature.
The hazard relay is used to isolate the hazard function from the blinkers and still be able to use a simple on/off switch.
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