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Post by mwilson on Sept 12, 2011 21:57:36 GMT -5
OK, I've replaced the shift rod bushing, the shifter but still it pops out of third and now it won't find reverse when I start but later, after I run awhile it finds reverse but won't find 2nd - it grinds. I'm guessing I need a rebuild?
In addition it groans and vibrates from the rear passenger side. Everything I've read points to a bad wheel bearing.
BTW, it's a 1967 6V swingarm transaxle
Any comments?
Thanks
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Post by Gary Hammond on Sept 13, 2011 8:51:46 GMT -5
Hi Matt,  BTW, it's a 1967 6V swingarm transaxle Any comments? Thanks If it's a 1967, it should be a 12v swing axle with ball joint front end. The 1966 was a 6v swing axle with ball joint front end. Gary Hammond,   |
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Post by mwilson on Sept 13, 2011 23:27:38 GMT -5
No doubt about it, it's a 6V swingaxle. The year is irrelevant. I'm looking to see what kind of advice I can get from the folks who do this sort of thing based on my observations. The closest VW repair shop is one hour's drive away.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Wyn on Sept 14, 2011 13:59:40 GMT -5
When I dismantled the T3 VW I took the tranny to a shop in North Akron Ohio and exchanged it with $300 for a rebuilt freewayflyer version. But that shop was 2.5 hours one way and it was very much worth the trip. A Note to All Everyone should post the state they are in, in their profile so it shows in their side bar in each post. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to make suggestion in what is avalible to you within your state. Look at my side bar it says Central Ohio. Wyn  |
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Post by Gary Hammond on Sept 15, 2011 15:22:50 GMT -5
Hi Matt, I looked up some of your prior posts and discovered you had previously mentioned that contrary to being a '67 12 volt tranny, like you had expected, it was actually a 6 volt tranny.  Sorry for pointing out something you already knew!  As for the problems you mentioned, I've worked on very few automotive manual transmissions and never on a VW trans axle. So I left it for other's to answer.  But I suspect that the popping out of third gear is due to a worn shift collar/synchronizer assembly, worn third gear mating part, bent shaft, bad bearings, or a combination of these. And not finding reverse could be damaged gears or shifter alignment problems. (I know. You already replaced the shift bushing, shifter, and shift rod coupling!) And the grinding second gear engagement sounds like synchronizer problems again. The groan and vibration could very well be a bad wheel bearing as you suspect. Anyway, the advice Wyn gave you sounds pretty good to me. According to my Clymer shop manual, both the wheel bearing replacement and transmission overhaul require special VW tools that not every automotive shop would have unless they do a lot of VW work! And a question about the electric conversion. Do you use all four gears during normal operation, or can you take off in any gear or skip gears getting up to speed? Just curious, I've never driven an electric powered vehicle.  Gary Hammond, |
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Post by mwilson on Sept 16, 2011 19:43:56 GMT -5
I drained the transaxle before I took it out last night. Since I had done this before, when I replaced the tranny mounts, I had put in new synthethic oil. The oil I took out last night was pitch black with pretty shiny flakes in it - this is not good! The large clump of metal stuck to the magnet on the drain plug was also not good.
I have spent the better part of the week trying to track down if anyone will rebuild or has a transaxle I can swap for. (looked on EBay, Craig's list, phone directories, aircooled VW shops in WA) There's only one guy I found in WA that will do it, ($700) everyone else usually orders their trannys from elsewhere and are predicting a 3-4 week delay. And the rebuilder isn't even sure he can rebuild it because it's a 6V and parts are getting hard to find.
The large businesses that do have them in stock are for the most part expensive, total cost with shipping and core charge $1,000+. Today I finally found someone with a 12V Freeway Flyer in stock, with new axles (and the core charge) the total price was a little more than the rebuild price. Of course they are located in CA and I'll have to spend $80 for shipping. But at least I'll finally have my car in working order. Then I can enjoy it for a little while before the winter blows in.
I'd much rather drive my Bradley GT than my Saturn.
Gary,
Yes, you can start in any gear but it isn't advised to do so. Not so much the torque but the amps you suck to get moving. If you've built your EV with 300 Amp fuses, starting in 4th could really pop those fuses leaving you high and dry for a while. Racers will use 1000 amp fuses which are expensive.
On occasion if no one is behind me, I'll start in second and gradually speed up to save a shift. The only difference in shifting an EV is you should let off the accelerator before you shift. That's if you have retained the clutch, some folks go clutchless. I kept the clutch in mine because I have a lot of hills and like to glide down them to save energy.
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Post by Wyn on Sept 17, 2011 19:13:36 GMT -5
Matt, Instead of using the 6V swing axle, why not switch to the 12V swing axle. Both transmission are basally the same 3F, ( Fit, Form, & Function ). You would have a newer stronger transmission and the Electric motor mounting should be the same. The 200mm Transmission is designed more for the VW Buss, But is interchangeable with the Bug. Mid America Motorworks has them in their catalog; 12 Volt for $689.99 and 6Volt for $674.99 Freeway Flyer Swing Axle Transaxle, both 6 & 12 Volt are $849.99 You would need to call MID AMERICA MOTORWORKS and check on all the details, shipping and core exchange. air-cooled-vw-parts-search.mamotorworkstv.com/nav/cat2/transaxles-and-hardware/cat1/drivetrain/80Wyn |
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Post by mwilson on Sept 18, 2011 0:10:26 GMT -5
Wyn,
Exactly what I was thinking. (Great minds think alike!) I found a 12V Freeway Flyer, rebuilt, for $550. +$100 for new axles. Too bad I have to eat the $200 core charge, still I think it's a good deal.
I'm hoping to see if anyone in the area wants to buy my old 6V so I can recoup some of the core charge. Otherwise, it's going to the dump!
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Post by Charles Thomas on Sept 18, 2011 14:53:27 GMT -5
You said WA. Where in WA are you located?
I can think of 4 rebuild shops off the top of my head, the kicker is, up here, most GOOD VW shops don't have a website.
-PCc
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Post by mwilson on Sept 18, 2011 18:54:48 GMT -5
I'm in Cle Elum. I looked all around and really only found two that would rebuild. All this talk is water under the bridge now since I went ahead and ordered a Freeway Flyer from a shop down in CA. If you know anyone that might be interested in buying my busted 6V for a core let me know. I can always use a drive to the coast.
Thanks,
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Post by mj on Sept 18, 2011 20:17:31 GMT -5
Don't you have to weld on new mounts to switch from swing-arm to IRS?
I just HATE the swing arm. I'ts a mess work on.
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Post by mwilson on Sept 19, 2011 21:36:34 GMT -5
No, I bought a 12V swingaxle not an IRS.
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Post by mwilson on Sept 19, 2011 21:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by Charles Thomas on Sept 19, 2011 23:42:06 GMT -5
Holy Crickets!
That looks like fun. . .
I'll ask around to see if anyone wants a core, but I can't think of anyone wanting the swingaxle off the top of my head.
If you don't mind my asking, after shipping and such, how much did the new freeway flyer run you? I have been considering a swap up (mine has the darned auto-stick).
-Charles
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