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Post by mwilson on May 22, 2011 23:19:47 GMT -5
I tried that but no luck. Then I figured out the wiper power wire isn't getting any power at all.
Here's what works: Headlights, Brights, fog lights, dash lights, speedo lights, cig lighter, horn, brake lights, indicators
Here's what doesn't work: Hazards, Flashers (yes, I have the electronic flasher fuses), back-up lights (there weren't any on the car to begin with, so I'm guessing the switch in the transaxle is bad), and wipers. I haven't installed the defroster yet.
So far this has cost me about five 15 amp fuses - not too bad.
The fact this car is going electric and using a 1967 VW steering column is really making it a challenge.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by jspbtown on May 23, 2011 7:03:47 GMT -5
You say "Hazards" and "flashers"...to me they are the same. Can you describe a little better?
Back up lights should be simple power into the switch and power out to the lights (with a good ground). If you are sure you have power in (Keyed? if so the key needs to be on...and yes. It should be keyed power) then simply use a test light to see of you get power out of the switch. They are usually pretty reliable.
How do you have your flashers wired and what are you using to activate them?
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Post by mwilson on May 23, 2011 8:18:36 GMT -5
I'm using the EZ Wiring kit - 21 circuit harness.
I should probably have said turn signals and hazards instead.
Using a 1967 steering column. I got the turn signal wiring figured out. How the hazards flow into the turn signals is what's stumping me, the original hazard switch was on the dash not the column. So I have a toggle switch on the dash ready to wire up.
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Post by smyrnaguy on May 23, 2011 8:42:12 GMT -5
You will need a double pole toggle (or a relay) and an additional flasher to get the hazards to work.
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Post by mwilson on May 26, 2011 21:45:09 GMT -5
I have spliced into the LT Park and LF Park (on a standard GM headlight switch) and ran those wires to an additional hazards relay, the relay is activated by a toggle switch on the dash. Yes, the hazards work but now if I use the turn signals, it automatically starts the hazards. What am I missing?
Thanks,
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Post by jspbtown on May 27, 2011 11:19:25 GMT -5
Why to the park circuit? And what do you mean "LT" and "LF"? At least I think of the park circuit as the marker lights. Are you saying to spliced into the turn signal circuit of the marker light signal?
Both circuits tied into one tab on the relay?
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Post by mwilson on May 27, 2011 18:33:28 GMT -5
LT - left tail, LF - left front park lights - I was told to do this by the EZ Wire Tech. And yes, both wires are then joined into one tab of the standard 4 prong relay which should be turned on by the toggle switch on the dash. The other side of the relay has the Hazard power wire which feeds the two spliced wires.
Thanks,
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Post by jspbtown on May 27, 2011 18:50:01 GMT -5
Interesting. I have never seen hazards hooked into the park light function. Usually they are hooked into the blinker function. Sounds like they chose that route (the wrong route in my opinion) because all the parking lights are essentially tied into one function. I think that might also make your license plate light flash as well.
Just to ensure you have it right it should be this way:
Power from hazard flasher to 30 tab on relay
park light feed to 87 tab
power from switch to 86 (or 85) tab
Ground to 85 (or 86)
That should make your parking lights (and plate light) flash when you flip the switch.
For your blinkers you should have the power from the other flasher into the switch and then a wire going to the right circuit and the left circuit.
If you have all this done correctly then you have crossed wired a circuit between your flashers and your blinkers.
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Post by mwilson on May 30, 2011 17:58:36 GMT -5
How does one wire the Stop Turn Tail lights? Every combination seems to throw something out of whack. I have LED, with three wires - Red, Black and white. White goes to ground, all my turn signals are wired for black. So where do the park and brake wire connect?
Thanks,
Matt
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Post by jspbtown on May 30, 2011 19:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by mwilson on Jun 6, 2011 0:32:23 GMT -5
Thanks jspbtown!
I found one on EBay for $13.
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Post by mwilson on Jun 18, 2011 17:13:05 GMT -5
Alright, I wired it in and yes the tail lights work. But, the odd thing is when I turn on the parking lights I have no flashers. Dumb question for the day - I wired the trailer converter to the rear end only, should it have gone to the front and controlled the entire system?
Thanks,
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Post by smyrnaguy on Jun 18, 2011 19:45:47 GMT -5
No. The convertor should be wired to the rear only. You have no forward facing brakelights I hope. The problem is that you should not have tied the flasher circuit to the parking lights. It should be connected to the turn signals instead.
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Post by mwilson on Jun 19, 2011 0:09:42 GMT -5
Roger that!
Thanks,
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Post by mwilson on Jun 24, 2011 16:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Jeff Lande on Jun 24, 2011 18:41:41 GMT -5
If you purchased regular 1156/1157 12 Volt type LED bulbs then you will only need the resistors if you plan to use the old flasher unit.
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Post by jspbtown on Jun 24, 2011 21:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by mrbigh on Jun 25, 2011 8:25:55 GMT -5
A quote of advice... The only bad thing about this Chinese main land sellers, in general, is that their merchandise takes an eternity to show-up. I ordered a wireless OBD scanner and took over 45 days to show in my mail box; only to save 7 bucks against an American distributor; thaxs G*d I was not in a hurry but I was getting very anxious............ |
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Post by jspbtown on Jun 25, 2011 11:47:08 GMT -5
Mrbigh,
Great point! I should have more clear that what I showed was just an example. They are available locally at any parts store. I shouldn't have implied to buy one like that I reference. It was just a quick search off the link MWilson provided.
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Post by mwilson on Jun 26, 2011 20:21:15 GMT -5
Actually the problem I having is weird. It's like voltage is overflowing into other lights. When the right turn signal is on, the left has one single LED that lights up and the 3rd Brake light now comes on when either turn signal is on. When either turn signal is on, both of the single LED indicators on the dash are lit. They still flash but it's not wired to be like that.
Any ideas?
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Post by jspbtown on Jun 26, 2011 20:34:29 GMT -5
Ground problem.
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Post by mwilson on Jul 9, 2011 11:55:34 GMT -5
jspbtown,
I can't say enough enough how much I enjoy watching your build and the picts that you post. If you don't mind, I'd really like to see how you do your grounding. I know from other posts that you put them all at one place. I don't think the way I have my busbars set up is working out and would like to see a pict of yours.
Thanks,
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Post by jspbtown on Jul 9, 2011 12:47:55 GMT -5
Here is the Bradley wiring, although I don't think it is complete. I bought the terminal strips and jumpers at radio Shack. I basically run 2 10 gauge wires to the terminal strip, connect them all together with the jumper, and then run basically everything straight to that terminal strip. Nothing fancy, but it makes running a circuit one at a time a little easier. Power to the circuit, ground to the terminal strip. Let me know if you need anything else.   |
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Post by mwilson on Jul 9, 2011 23:36:30 GMT -5
Very neat setup. I also ran 10 ga wire from the chassis to the bussbars I'm using. I can see where using the terminals is a better idea.
Are you using dielectric grease on the terminals to improve connectivity?
Thanks again
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Post by smyrnaguy on Jul 11, 2011 18:11:02 GMT -5
Dielectric grease impedes corrosion but doesn't improve conductivity. Going back to your wiper question a page ago... My wiper motor is wired so that if I hold the setup so that the motor is on the right side and the wiper towers are up, the terminal strip is exposed on the left. Terminals from left to right are: 1. Constant power for park. 2. Ignition power. 3. low speed power from switch. 4. High speed power from switch. My motor has a ground tab below the terminal strp. Otherwise a motor screw will do for ground.
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Post by smyrnaguy on Jul 11, 2011 20:27:38 GMT -5
As it turns out #2 need not be connected on the terminal block
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Post by mwilson on Aug 22, 2011 12:38:54 GMT -5
Alright, I have worked on the grounds until I am blue in the face. Everything works, just NOT at the same time. I was most recently attacking the wiring on the hazards again and was faced with the fact that one side will work but if you plug in both sides, they go crazy!! I put a voltmeter on the turn signals and just as I thought, both sides - Left and Right are getting voltage despite which side is being activated by the switch. I pulled the steering column and looked at the switch - it's gotta be 40+ years old. And from looking at the Samba and other sites, this is definitely NOT the original steering column that came with the 1967 chassis I have. So now that I'm done with my rant, is this a common problem? 4.bp.blogspot.com/-SoQgPJI1O3A/TlGwxfUgLLI/AAAAAAAAAR0/5RNBib7XJ4g/s1600/HPIM0910.JPGThanks, |
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Post by jspbtown on Aug 22, 2011 13:43:28 GMT -5
The older style switches and columns are real easy to work for the turn signals...basically 3 wires. Power comes in from the flasher unit and then one wires for the right and one wire for the left. When it gets that basic it keeps things simple.
For the flasher I incorporate a relay and a simple on/off switch.
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Post by mwilson on Aug 22, 2011 19:07:35 GMT -5
jspbtown,
Yes I see the three wires but something is screwy with the switch, it shouldn't send voltage to both sides regardless of which side is selected. I too have a relay set up with a toggle on my dash. I set it up according to your wiring advice mentioned previous. It works well but not on both sides at the same time.
I sent the pict to cip1 to see if they can advise me to which replacement I need.
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Post by mwilson on Aug 30, 2011 18:32:54 GMT -5
Cip1 sent the new turn signal switch, I installed and it solved the voltage flowing over to both right and left signals at the same time. At least one problem is solved.
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