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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 24, 2010 10:36:15 GMT -5
I flew a real R/C plane (been flying in simulator from time to time) for the first time in 10 years or so on Monday (09/20). K&B Veco 19 started right up and flew without missing a beat on 10 year old fuel on my old faithful Royal-Aire trainer (forgiving characteristics of flat bottom, high wing with plenty of dihedral - good for getting fingers back in tune). Old 1979 vintage Kraft Sport Series Radio (narrow band modified by Kraft Midwest in 1988) also worked flawlessly (it still has original batteries - just cycled them a few times, had near full capacity). Young friend (graduated from our school in 2000 - now the head computer tech for county gov offices & law enforcement, also consultant for school network) was just sure the old stuff would fail. Score one for the old stuff. At any rate I will likely resume the hobby as several friends (and my brother) are into it and it appears I can use the old equipment and planes to control the cost until/if I decide to get into "whole hog" again. The link below shows a bit of my long past R/C plane activity. www.swrnet.life/planes/index.htmlWarmest Regards, Steven
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Post by Eric A on Sept 26, 2010 16:12:51 GMT -5
I spent today once aging trying to fly my e-flight blade cx3 helicopter. The box says even the newest pilot will be hovering and flying in minutes... Well um it has been 8 hellish months and many sets of blades ( another broken blade today) and I can't get it to not flip out and head in random directions. They say if you have problems just let go of the stick and it will auto hover. I don't think mine has that option mine just auto crashes! I think I am going to go drive over it with my Bradley and then go back to r/c boats! Eric A
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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 27, 2010 1:47:54 GMT -5
Hi Eric, Yes, I like hobbies to help me relax, flying Helos is just too intense. My brother flew them for a while. Try trainer planes, much quicker and more relaxing to learn and generally fly. Warmest Regards,
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Post by Eric A on Sept 27, 2010 9:16:30 GMT -5
I wanted to build a bigger turbine powered heli for fun but thought I should learn to fly a cheaper one to fix first. But now I am not so sure I think I might build a turbine powered hydroplane instead. Eric A
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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 27, 2010 11:02:02 GMT -5
Have you tried all the learning tricks, like making a strapon Hula-Hoop landing gear. I think they also sometimes use dowels & wiffle balls. The idea is to make the helicopter tip proof within 1 ft of the ground, also lowers the CG a bit, which helps. LIke I say, I never tried myself, but I know it took my brother quite a bit of time and he had an expert trim the bird and help train him. Turbine Heli does sound like a neat project though. Warmest,
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Post by Eric A on Sept 27, 2010 11:24:47 GMT -5
I have the long stick ping pong ball trainer thing and it did help. Once I get the repair parts I am taking it to the shop to see if they can help me.
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Post by Jeff Troy on Sept 27, 2010 15:33:40 GMT -5
Hi, Eric and Steven, Steven: Loved the Super Sportster and the Goldberg Skylane. Built many of both in my day. The Skylane is a sander's delight, isn't it? Other than a Royal kit, I can't remember ever appreciating my Perma-Grit brazed-tungsten-steel sanders to such a high degree! I still have a Kraft Gold Spectrum 6 RC system and three Kraft Mk IV 7-channel systems with synthesizers, and they were probably the highest-quality RC systems ever produced on 72MHz. Today's equipment is far more feature-capable, and the new 2.4GHz frequency band make hits pretty much a thing of the past. They are better, but they don't make good old gear any less operable than it ever was. Those old Kraft systems are still way cool, and great conversation starters at the field. I currently fly a JR 12X and X9503, a Spektrum DX7 and Futaba 10C, all 2.4GHz systems. Eric: Hate to suggest the obvious, but have you checked and set all your trim tabs? The CX3 is an excellent machine and will do everything the advertising claims, but it must be properly ready to fly. Here are two tips: 1. With the transmitter on, the throttle at low and all your trims centered, connect the battery and let the machine stand on a level surface for at least 10 seconds. This sets the gyro. If this isn't done, the gyro won't know where up, down, right and left are. It won't know how to level your machine. 2.. Give it just enough powerto get light on its feet, then, one at a time, set the pitch (right stick forward and back to prevent scooting forward or back), roll (right stick right and left to prevent drifting or leaning to the right or left), and yaw (left stick right and left to prevent the tail from spinning in either direction). 3. Once you can hover for a couple of seconds, apply a bit more power and get the machine up quickly and out of the ground effect. Waist high is enough. It will fly much better at altitude than flat on the deck. The CX3 is a nice machine, but I prefer the mCX and mCX2 for basic training. These two are the most stable my daughter and I have seen. They are micro, not mini helicopters, and less weight and inertia mean less (if any) damage when you f* up. 4. Jeff Troy's golden rule of life... "If it wasn't for f*ing up, there'd be no up at all!" When you guys have a few minutes, check out www.TheParkPilot.com. I am editor-in-chief of Park Pilot, the AMA's quarterly magazine for small electric aircraft. While you're there, check out http://www.theparkpilot.com./pages/news_stories.html for my daughter's two-day presentation at the Intrepid Museum. In addition to her solo presentation, she was part of a panel of eight "Women in Aviation." Also go to www.airborne-models.com to check out my F-14 TAMEcat Trainer (65-inch 40-size), TAMEcat EP (39.5-inch electric) and TAMEcat EDF (electric ducted fan). AirBorne is the USA distributor for The World Models where my designs are being manufactured. Regards...
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Post by Eric A on Sept 27, 2010 17:48:39 GMT -5
Thank you Jeff. I have made sure the trims are 0 except the throttle trim which is all the way down. Then powered up and waited for a solid green light on the gyro. I have been trying to fly it only 3-4" above the floor. I will try getting it up higher. I really appreceate the tips. I hear really good things about this model so I am not willing to give up just yet! Eric A
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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 30, 2010 13:19:24 GMT -5
Hello Jeff, I was hoping you'd jump in on this thread as I knew you had a great deal of experience in the R/C aircraft world. Nice article by your daughter, though I didn't actually see her name. I did recognize her from a previous photo I saw (something to do with karting, I think!).
Gotta admit, I think my favorite plane was the Sportster. It was a .20 size (don't think they sell them in that size anymore, I still have the plans, may scratch build another one). It had a K&B Sportster Engine (appropriate, huh) which really ran well with the tuned pipe. I tend to like that size - not overly effected by wind, easy to transport, and easy on the fuel (4-6 oz/flight).
The forth and fifth pictures down show the Q-Tee. Interesting because it used only a 3 minute run on a Cox .049 engine to get it up, however my record flight duration was over 3 hours. During the last building recession in the early 80's I lived in an un built-out subdivision (subdivision was complete w/ paved roads but no one could afford to buy houses with high interest rates). The black paved roads between the green weed-filled lots created great thermals.
I may get into ParkPilot planes, as our school campus is just a few blocks away and perfect for that size of plane.
Warmest Regards,
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Post by Jeff Troy on Sept 30, 2010 16:06:32 GMT -5
Hey, Steven,
Wow. The Airtronics Q-Tee was the first kit I built from the Renaud family, and it was a great surprise - beautiful build, gentle flyer and a real cute parasol. I flew and competed with several other Airtronics models, mostly sailplanes -- Olympic 650, Sagitta 900, Sagitta 600 (Two-Mitta Sagitta) and Sagitta XC (A Few Too Many Feetta Sagitta), Aquila, Aquila Grande, Cumic Plus and Legend. Also did a few Warlocks and a bipe - can't remember the name. Airtronics produced the finest kits in industry circa 70s and 80s. My Grand Esprit won the sailplane category at WRAM and Toledo and several other shows, and has been in the AMA's National Aeromodeling Museum since 1985.
I had a K&B 20 on my small Super Sportster, and used an O.S. 46 on the mid-size model. No pipes, though; I HATE two stroke engines. They are all defective (open the box and two strokes are missing!). The 20-size Sportser is still around as an ARF with electric power. I think GP is sending one for review in a few days. I'll let you know.
I've always been mostly into WWI, and flew Top Gun and Scale Masters (1989) with a 1/3-scale Bleriot XI-2 -- 108 inches complete with functional wing warping and castoring landing gear. Enya VT-240 twin four-stroke for power and an Airtronics Vision 8 radio - the first commercially produced computer system.
Devin races vintage karts with me, and drives a 1960 Dart Super K with a single Power Products AH-58 engine. She runs, but I'm pretty sure it's just to keep me company; she couldn't care less.
Devin i's also a killer concert violinist. She was first violin in the local college orchestra when she was still in ninth grade, and was invited to the Pennsylvania Governor's School for the Arts in the last year of the program. Sight reads amazingly, which is way beyond an old rock & roller like me. Now she does the pit orchestra in Philadelphia at U-Penn, where she's in her sophomore year.
Building or flying anything now?
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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 30, 2010 16:34:05 GMT -5
As I said, just kinda getting back into it and my school responsibilities are high at the moment.
I had a .20 size Tequilla Sunrise which suffered a mild crash on one of my last flying trips before the hiatus (broke off muffler and landing gear). It has a very thin wing and fairly high wing loading so it flys more like a pylon racer than an acrobatic sport plane. I'm thinking of thickening & lenthening the wing a bit to slow it down and make it more responsive. It shouldn't take too many hours to make it flyable. However, it has a Futaba flight pak, and both the flight pack and transmitter batteries need to be replaced. Also have a .40 Lanier ARTF and a .20 scale Mustang still in the boxes I could build if I had the time. We'll see how things go.
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Post by Jeff Troy on Sept 30, 2010 17:00:39 GMT -5
Lanier RC owner Bubba Spivey is a longtime friend; He's completely crazy and my wife can kick his ass at poker.
Bubba bought Goldberg, then sold everyting off to GP (Great Planes/Hobbico) after his car accident. He's still in Georgia and still does some OEM ABS cowls and clear canopies for other manufacturers.
Which of his 40-size models do you have? I was always partial to the Jester, but that's a 60 airplane. I still have a Lanier Dart with the wing finished and rest of the model untouched. I seem to remember a jet-like 40 from Lanier. Great looking, but I never built or flew one.
You can help prevent your wing from stalling with any or all of three easy modifications.
1. Add washout. Twist both tips upward a few degrees, then reshrink the covering. If you painted, you're SOL.
2. Raise each aileron 1/132-1/16 inch. Helps upright, but an obvious detriment inverted.
3. Sand the leading edges blunter at the tips than the root.
All these mods cause the wing to fly more slowly at the tip than the root. Each will aid in stability and help prevent tip stalling in a turn or stall.
I forget where you are. Aren't you close to Lancaster PA?
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Post by centralvalleygter on Sept 30, 2010 17:09:59 GMT -5
I can't remember which model the Lanier is, its at home and I am at the school at present. I'll look and let you know. It is a Javelin (says for .19-.40).
The P51D scale Mustang is by Model-Tech (for .20 -.23).
My brother prefers large 4-stroke powered planes, his most recent being a Saito powered Ultra-Stick.
Naw, I'm a long ways away from you - In California (near Fresno). Still hoping we can get together on one of your visits to the west coast, though. Sincerely,
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Post by Eric A on Sept 30, 2010 19:52:05 GMT -5
Well I got all my repair parts today and put them on only to find a nasty vibration in the main rotor shaft. After more look the stabilizer bar is bent I can't seem to get it straight so I guess it is time to place another order. I have a nasty left roll issue that I can't take out with the trim adjustment. I hope it is the stabilizer bar. Eric A
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Post by Jeff Troy on Oct 1, 2010 13:05:43 GMT -5
Steven: Those Hangar 9 and E-flite Ultra Sticks are all very nice, just as good or maybe eeven better than the original Das Ugly Stik that Phil Kraft designed back in the '60s. I have every one of them, electric and gas.
My 120Lite has a Saito 1.80 and rips great - gobs of power. The Mini and 25e are super electrics. All my Ultra Sticks use the optional flap setup with four wing servos and my 12X transmitter.
Just looked over your images again and saw the Midwest AeroStar. Good choice on your parts. The Eagle 63 and Eagle II were the most popular, but the AeroStar was by far the nicest kit and the best flying model in the 40-class trainer genre' of the day. I built several 40- and 20-class AeroStars for myself and customers.
Eric: Sounds like your problems are really annoying. If it were me, that machine would be smashed against a wall a long time ago. I'd like you to give Horizon a call so you can speak with someone knowledgeable in the service department. I'm getting the right name and number for you from the publicist I deal with over there. Check back later and I should have the info posted.
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Post by Jeff Troy on Oct 1, 2010 15:05:22 GMT -5
Hi, Eric,
Just spoke with Kim. She said to call Horizon customer service at 877-504-0233. The XC3 is a relatively simple machine, and anyone there can help you with questions and suggestions. Horizon guys are white hats, so you get all the help you need with no hassle at all.
If you don't get help, give me your number. I'll call Kim and she will someone from Blade contact you directly.
BTW, Blade is now its own brand, and longer under the E-flite banner.
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Post by Eric A on Oct 1, 2010 20:31:24 GMT -5
Great thank you Jeff! I will give them a call as soon as I get my new stabilizer bar. Eric A
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Post by Eric A on Oct 5, 2010 13:33:04 GMT -5
Well I guess I am to retarded to fly a helo. I went to my local hobby shop and had them replace the stabilizer bar and the guy powered it up and hovered it and flew it with the trim set like I had them. Maybe I should go back to cars and boats. Anyone want to buy a helicopter? Eric A
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Post by Jeff Troy on Oct 5, 2010 15:59:52 GMT -5
If you think it's tough now, you shoulda tried it back in the '80's -- $1,000 to say hello and the hardest thing you've ever done in your life -- and I don't care what you've done!
Never had much fun with nitro boats. Raced 40-class deep vees in the '70's and had arms like Popeye from rowing a chase boat. Cars are easy, but I get bored after five minutes or so; they can't split-S or touch-and-go.
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Post by geddes66 on Oct 9, 2010 2:17:05 GMT -5
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Post by geddes66 on Oct 9, 2010 2:18:02 GMT -5
try this
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Post by Jeff Troy on Oct 9, 2010 7:51:10 GMT -5
Hey, Chris,
That SIG Four-Star series is very nice. Don't know about the nose gear, but since you can keep a GT running for so many years, I have no doubt that you can make a few travel adjustments to some basic RC linkage.
I kinda remember the big F-4 with the tractor up front, but can't place the manufacturer. Who's the gorilla with the airplanes? Not you; he's five times your size. Did the military pump you up that much since I saw you last?
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Post by centralvalleygter on Oct 12, 2010 21:31:39 GMT -5
Well, rebuilt my Tequilla Sunrise. Added 6" additional wingspan (now about 42"), 1/2" additional chord depth and about 3/8" thickness to airfoil x-section. Did the maiden flight today, still a handful, but at least I got it up and down in one piece (a first for this particular plane - 3 tries before noted modifications). Also put K&B Sportster .20 with Perry carb on it. Gonna play with CG & throws to mild it out a bit. Below are some pics as it is now. Warmest Regards,
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Post by Kyle Murdock on Oct 29, 2010 14:13:03 GMT -5
Hate to call you old Jeff, but hard to believe that Devin is in college! She was half that size last time I saw her. 2 of ours are married, it happens so fast ;D
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Post by thehag71 on Nov 1, 2010 4:25:21 GMT -5
I never flew RC planes, unless you count some p.o.s. I had back in the early 80's that had a 2 string tether about 30 feet long and the plane would go up or down depending on which way you pulled the strings. Pull the top one to climb, and the bottom one to dive. Did I mention that you could only go in circles? I don't know what make or model it was. It wasn't too bad for a 10 year old kid though, as I flew it every chance I got, my friends were jealous, and it was what my dad could afford to buy me. Actually thinking back on it now, it wasn't really that bad, until you got dizzy from spinning in circles, lost control of it, and it would come crashing to the ground. I do remember that the wings and the fuselage were 2 seperate pieces and the wings were held on by rubber bands so when you crashed it (which was about 4 out of 5 times you flew it) the wings busted free and it was just a matter of replacing a couple of rubber bands and you were back flying. Great memories. About a month ago, I came across a Blade cx at a Goodwill store for $11.00. It was missing the battery and charger. I checked on parts availability and pricing and decided to buy it. I then went to the local hobby store, bought the pieces I needed and remembered that hobbies are expensive. After quite a few attempts at getting it off the ground and to hover, and alot of crashes, I was able to get it to hover, and actually fly it! It wouldn't hover without lots of stick adjustments however, so I had to start adjusting motor controls and servo linkages. Of course I spent more time fixing it than actually flying it, but I finally got everything adjusted so it would keep a stable hover and go in the direction I wanted it to, and I still kept crashing it, but I was having fun. Then I found a great deal on the same heli brand new in the box on e-bay, so I bought that one also. I am still learning how to fly it well and crash it quite regularly, but I am still having fun with it. The one thing that I can't quite figure out though is why all the guys at the hobby store seem so happy to see me when I walk in? Either way, I am having a blast with the new hobby.
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Post by allensawyer23 on Dec 1, 2010 3:21:38 GMT -5
awesome plane. nice colors and wing edging.
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Post by centralvalleygter on Dec 2, 2010 15:40:17 GMT -5
Allen, thanks for the kind words. While I can claim credit for the wing edging. The original plane was an ARF (Almost Ready-to Fly), so the graphic design was by the mfg. However, with the extensive reworking I've done, I did have to recreate the graphics/trim. Warmest Regards,
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Post by centralvalleygter on Jan 15, 2012 22:54:36 GMT -5
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Post by bobevans on Jan 16, 2012 18:28:33 GMT -5
Hey Jeff....I have a K & B Allyn .29 from back in my control line days..It is a vintage 1956...Green Head...I have no idea if it is worth anything, but I flew it about 10 hours total before I went to the army in 1959...Is it a collector's item or what?? ;D bobevans
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Post by kensaw210 on Jan 16, 2012 21:48:21 GMT -5
I fly a clip wing cub with a 46 engine. I can do almost all stunts with the cub. I just got a simulator to play with this winter. I been tring to do upside down fly by's over the landing strip. I can tell you one thing I need a lot of work before I do that with the cub. R/C flying is a great hobby I like building as much as flying. Kensaw210
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