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Post by mogar on Sept 22, 2014 17:27:18 GMT -5
So I just picked up this car in Wells, Maine Now i need to register it so i got 20 day plates and talked to the inspector. He said i needed, - 1 My High beams to work
- 2 Rear directionals, It doesn't even look like i have any.
- 3 A new exhaust cuz it leaks
- 4 Front end suspension related work *pictures forthcoming
- 5 and floor pan work
On the other side of things i need a new starter it sounds like hell, and the odometer doesn't work (pretty sure he didn't notice that) any tips tricks areas of suggestion? I'll be finding the block # in a jiffy
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Post by skip20 on Sept 22, 2014 20:08:51 GMT -5
Welcome aboard. Yellow is GOOD.
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Post by horen2tas on Sept 22, 2014 20:31:16 GMT -5
Hey Mogar, Welcome!
First off do the low beams work?
Or better yet do the headlights open & lock in place?
On most GT2 headlight set-ups the high beams are activated by pulling the turn signal arm towards you. (you should here a click from a relay up front)
Best case scenario is both of your high beams are burned out try replacing one with a good bulb.
worst case scenario is there is a problem with the relay or worse the wiring.
Someone else on the board who is more electric savvy will chime in to help with that info.
You'll need wiring diagrams to help figure that out.
Rear directionals could be a problem with a ground wire, since it's a plastic car,
the ground has to come from the metal chassis.
Get under the drivers side rear fender and take some time to look things over
like do you see a ground wire coming from the chassis going to the lights?
Is your exhaust system rusty and toasty looking with holes and stuff?
Then it's probably better to replace whatever it needs the parts are available and not expensive.
If it's not rust and crumbling, maybe just the clamps holding the pieces together are loose
or muffler to engine exhaust pipe connections are loose or maybe a loose or broken bolt?
Front end maybe easier to got to a shop and have it checked out.
Floor pans? To get past inspection you could pop-rivet some aluminum patches,
usually inspectors don't want to see daylight coming thru the floors,
Maine winters will do that!
good luck & take your time with it,
t looks like a nice ride!
PS when you get some of the problems worked out, check out the discussions here about 'Butt-sag"
judging from the fit of the door, like many of us, you got it!
all the best
Mike Horen
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Post by mogar on Sept 22, 2014 21:23:27 GMT -5
The exhaust connection that is leaking is this one The Low beams indeed work, HA! I didnt think of pulling the directional switch towards me. I was too busy looking for a switch. But the hi beams are still not turning on and i dont hear or feel any click. Do i need to have the car running to have hi beams? What do those last 2 switches do on the center console? The ones on the far right bottom that light up green? Btw there is this switch that I flip and the head lights will raise up but then they fall back down.. and then raise up again.. and fall back down...and so on and so forth if i want them to stop i have to flick the switch while the lights are raised up and it will hold them in place It doesnt look like my car has rear directionals..seriously. This is the "suspension part thats loose" I have looked up butt sag and you would be correct if my doors sat like that but its not that, its the door locks! I think they are stuck in this position. Maybe they are broken but they wont swing outward. And finally, shouldnt this be connected to something? Funny i just realized my engine hatch has a handle on it, not supposed to be there.
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Post by horen2tas on Sept 22, 2014 23:59:17 GMT -5
OK the first pix looks pretty toasted, best advice is get a VW manual that covers how this all comes apart & what you need to either clean up or replace. Next pix, someone's done some messing with the electrics, there are two switches on the gauge consul which should be controlling the headlight locking up & down & on & off, you need the GT2 build manual do a search on this board for a thread on the CD for the GT2 from Jeff Troy he offers it for around $35.00 and study it for the headlight wiring & electrics. Your third pix shows a broken sway bar or stabilizer bar. A used one is not expensive and comparatively easy to replace, some folks think it's OK to take it off completely but refer to a good VW repair manual. Pix #4 try pushing the door button it's supposed to release that dog that's turned in, if that doesn't work try pulling on the latch on the inside of the door if it seems stuck try spraying some liquid wrench and let it sit a while, or refer to the GT2 build manual. Pix 5 I believe is a breather connected to the oil fill spout and really doesn't have anything more than a rubber tip to keep out dirt and moisture check the VW repair manual on that, I'm not at home right now so I can't verify that. If you live in Maine there's a guy in Vermont that deals in huge amounts of used VW air-cooled parts. Search this website for info parts etc. : www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/Now you've got your homework so get busy! Seriously there are a bunch of people on this board who know 100 times more than me and can give you good advice, I'm sure they'll chime in and help you
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Post by skip20 on Sept 23, 2014 3:16:46 GMT -5
Does the car have Air cond.? That may be what the switches are for. The hole may have been a Volt meter. $6.00 donuts, come with new brackets & bolts for both sides. Get the ex head gaskets also (4). Will need to remove the front engine sheet metal & remove the muffler to replace.
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 23, 2014 8:45:58 GMT -5
Well first of all WELCOME! You have entered the fun, and often frustrating, world of 30 year old kit cars!
To answer some of your questions....
1. You have an old rusty exhaust. Maybe your heater boxes are still good...maybe they are not. One of the problems with these old cars are the amount of rust (especially in the North East) that eat into components. Sometimes trying to get out of it the cheapest way possible is very frustrating. I would start the PB Blaster on the exhaust bolts (at the heads) now just in case. The start looking for an exhaust and be prepared for possible heater boxes.
2. The headlight lift design on these cars SUCK! They use a windshield wiper motor and two limit switches to make the headlight come up and down. What you have is a classic example of the limit switches being out of adjustment. A Bradley manual would help here. However adjusting the switches is not the answer. They will just get out of whack some night when you are driving home and your lights will pop up and down as you go down the street. Your real answer is a linear actuator. You can search the forums and see how they are installed.
3. You do have rear directionals. They are controlled by a "trailer converter" whcih is a small electrical box up under the dash. They are notoriously unreliable...especially the older ones. The GTII has a single, dual filament bulb on each side. The smaller (ie: dimmer) filament is for your parking brakes. The larger (ie: brighter) is for your brakes & turn signals. The problem arises when you step on the brakes AND try to use a turn signal. You only have one filament trying to do two jobs. The brake signal basically over rides the turn signal. So they created a converter which knows when the turn signal is applied and essentially blocks the brake signal to that side, allowing the blinker to flash. They are called "trailer" converters because they are used on things like boat trailers which have the same type of light set up as the Bradley. So you can dig around the wiring to see if it is done correctly and if so then you might need a trailer converter replacement. Fun times on your back await you!
4. Your sway bar doesn't look broken to me. I do see some grease leakage around the lower trailing arms. There is a seal where the arm goes into the torsion spring tube. Maybe the inspector saw that grease and thought it was "loose". If the arm is loose then there is a grub screw that can be tightened. I bet it was just the grease he saw though. Seals are cheap and relatively easy to replace.
5. The part that you think should be connected to something is just a vent tube for the engine case. It is supposed to be vented to the atmosphere. As previously stated there is a little seal that goes on it but its no big deal to run without it.
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Post by mogar on Sept 23, 2014 14:33:33 GMT -5
Do you guys also have the problem of the body resting on the exhaust pipes? Or is that an attribute of "butt sag" If i should be having an exhaust with more clearance then let me know. Ill just buy a new exhaust. I've been looking at the regular Bug exhausts( 2 tips sticking out instead of 4) and then a single exhaust with a muffler out to 1 side but im not sure what it will look like on the bradley does anyone have pictures of these exhausts they have installed? TY guys you are all super helpful!!!
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 23, 2014 15:05:59 GMT -5
Likely due to butt sag. Do you have evidence of it in the doors?
Before you consider any exhaust I would post a link here. You will save yourself alot of frustration getting opinions on what works and what doesn't.
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Post by mogar on Sept 24, 2014 14:23:22 GMT -5
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 24, 2014 14:41:24 GMT -5
My order of preference would be the second one, followed by the third one, followed by the first one.
Although it has been years (15 as a matter of fact!) since I built the GT2 so I would certainly take someone's advice who currently has one.
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Post by mogar on Sept 24, 2014 15:31:22 GMT -5
So I have a large blue book for the gt 2 called Structural plans and I was wondering if it is any different than "1977 BRADLEY GT II WITH DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURAL PLANS" Really its the word dimensional. I am considering creating a full 3d Solidworks model of the Bradley gt2 since i've found none that exist. Is this an even rarer book? It would be critical to the construction of this model to have dimensions of this car. It'll be the last picture at the bottom of this page. I've found no other mention of it online. funnybug.canney.net/webbugs/kitcars/bradleygt2/bgt218/index.htmlSince one of the things i need to fix for inspection is the lug stud. what does the bradley ride on? it has 5 lugs on each tire i checked the vw beetles but they seem to be a 4 bolt pattern.
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 24, 2014 17:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by skip20 on Sept 25, 2014 6:09:08 GMT -5
Hey, let me know when you get that 3d Solidworks model done! Been building a large 3D printer to build a model of the GTII. Was going to scan the body to do.
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Post by mj on Sept 25, 2014 13:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by mj on Sept 26, 2014 7:38:40 GMT -5
Scanning the body is a great idea it will give you a solid outer model quickly, I think however a model of the pieces will allow me to do force test and maybe work this butt sag issue out. Obviously it is a design flaw and it should show fairly quickly with a full model. Instead why doesnt someone just send me the files? Don't bother reinventing the wheel. Butt-sag has already been worked out by several members. Search the forum.
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Post by mogar on Sept 27, 2014 1:07:34 GMT -5
So I decided to clean up the passenger door lock because it's missing a rod from the handle to the mechanism. I took a before and after picture. Ill be getting some new hardware for it as well; stainless steel. I was wondering if I should put any anti-corrosion coating on it and what kind? Also the alternator pulley belt was loose and i watched a u-tube video and then went out and did it myself. I am amazed at the simplicity and quickness i was able to adjust the belt. It took less than 4 mins.
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Post by skip20 on Sept 27, 2014 6:37:49 GMT -5
4 MINS, it takes me that long to find the wrench. So how did you clean it? ??
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Post by mogar on Sept 27, 2014 11:39:48 GMT -5
I used a (glass) bead blaster to remove all the junk, However, While vacuuming the carpet i flipped it up and saw some rust ( I wasn't surprised it was there) but it was a lot more than I was expecting. I took pictures, of course, of the damage. As I saw more rust I decided to remove the seat and fold up the carpet. I'm surprised to see what looks like a brake line running right under my seat and carpet. Looks like they coated it in some kind of plastic I also noticed that someone got a little excited with the drill The black rubber (bottom of the picture) is actually hiding a piece of sheet steel but i haven't yet lifted that up. So fella's and ladies (if present) Do you see anything out of the ordinary? Looks like a body off restoration is in order.
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Post by skip20 on Sept 27, 2014 17:23:26 GMT -5
Brake line should be there but behind the gas pedal & over by the tunnel. Looks like you have a VW floor pan replacement. Look under the car to check for holes. You can get the whole floor pans (about 100.00 each) or 1/2 floor. Check YouTube for info on DIY.
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Post by mogar on Sept 28, 2014 19:26:16 GMT -5
Door Lock with new hardware I do have a problem, the fiberglass where the latch bolts to has been sheared a bit. No matter how hard I pull that latch it wont snap the unlock because its loose. I cleaned up the top window seal, someone had put thingying onto the seal. The fiberglass itself is pretty wavy And I took off the 4 to 5 lug bolt conversion because I needed to fix one of the lugs, however, WTH is this!! I have no idea where i'm going to find another one and of course this is the broken lug.
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 28, 2014 20:11:04 GMT -5
If that is the only broken stud then this is what you need: www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D6778If you have other broken studs I would not suggesting trying to press in new ones. Those adapters are marginal at best and when you start playing with the suds you are asking for trouble with cracking or the new stud spinning. Just think of how fun it will be trying to get a tire off with a spinning stud. For where your fiberglass is marginal you just need to rough it up thoroughly, clean the dust off, and lay up some matt and resin in its place. You can add several layers for strength. You can get matt (or maybe for that area cloth) and resin from your local Home Depot or Lowes. Regarding body off....it makes things a lot easier to fix...including the wiring which looks terrible (It always does). Laying under the dash to "fix" things sucks. Having the body on sawhorses and sitting upright under the dash and doing wiring is so much better. Floor replacements is also easier (drop the pan or do a body lift). It also allows you unlimited access to all the mechanicals. The only downside is the odds are that you will get frustrated with the amount of time it will take and you will likely abandon the project.
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Post by lovecars1967 on Sept 29, 2014 18:01:23 GMT -5
As far as exhaust I have the third one on my gt ll.
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Post by mogar on Sept 29, 2014 20:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by mogar on Sept 29, 2014 21:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 29, 2014 21:26:49 GMT -5
Oh my...classic hack job wiring. Any advice is just a pure guess since it has been hacked so badly.
First off I would check to make sure that the filaments are working. So do you have headlights? Or no headlights at all? If no headlights you need to follow the power from the fuseblock (make sure the fuse is good), to the headlight switch, then off to the relay. It is just going to be a needle in a haystack job of following power wires, and making sure grounds are good.
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Post by mogar on Sept 29, 2014 21:42:37 GMT -5
Oh my...classic hack job wiring. Any advice is just a pure guess since it has been hacked so badly. First off I would check to make sure that the filaments are working. So do you have headlights? Or no headlights at all? If no headlights you need to follow the power from the fuseblock (make sure the fuse is good), to the headlight switch, then off to the relay. It is just going to be a needle in a haystack job of following power wires, and making sure grounds are good. I have headlights. Starting from the column which wires do I trace? Color..
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 30, 2014 8:35:50 GMT -5
Don't start from the middle to try to solve a wiring problem. Start from the beginning.
Power comes from the fusebox. Start there. Find your headlight fuse and follow the wire.
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Post by jspbtown on Sept 30, 2014 11:21:29 GMT -5
Looks like 5 and 6 www.bradleygt2.com/man/electricalE2a.php3Of course they can be really anything depending on how many adult beverages the original builder was having at the time. And by looking at that wiring job I would say he had quite a few!
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Post by mogar on Sept 30, 2014 22:29:34 GMT -5
I found out what the vw dimmer switch does... And the previous owner had the wires plugged in wrong; so now I have hi-beams. However, now the passenger side turn signal doesn't work at all. The light on the dash will stay constantly very dimly lite. I was also comparing the wiring of the fuses to the wiring diagram and he has like 4 extra wires on there.
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