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Feb 1, 2013 10:22:12 GMT -5
Post by Roodog on Feb 1, 2013 10:22:12 GMT -5
So I have ran into a bit of a snag...  I bought this Bradley gt1 from a man in Canyon City Colorado witch just bought it from a man in Pueblo just weeks before. Not knowing what he got himself into he bought it for his kid and who didn't want it. I have always wanted a gt1 as long as I can remember. I find this car on crags list. It looked great at first in the pictures. So I took a chance on it and drove the 525 mile round trip to take a look at this thing. It looked thrown together when I got there but for the most part it looked all there, and I was up for the challenge. I was told that he had the title but it was still in the other guys name witch was fine. I took a quick gander at the title and it looked ok to me. It stated that the car is a 1999 Bradley gt... Great  It raised my eye brow a bit knowing that the Bradley stopped production in the early 80s. I just figured that's when it was so called "COMPLETED". So I throw it on my trailer and drag it home. I have been slaving over this car for seven months now trying to get it done for the summer witch is quickly approaching here. I have the car just about ready to cruse it down the road. So I go down to the DMV to get the title put in my name and get plates for it. STOPPP right there... This title is a bonded title witch means that the car is not a "KIT" car it is a car that was made from a bunch of other parts and the vin off the 1960 bug frame and the 1967 engine vin and the vin off the Bradley have been all bonded to one title number witch is a 1999 Bradley GT! So now I need to have emissions on it every year and it has to be up to 1999 codes regardless what parts are on the car. The other thing is insurance does not recognize the 1999 Bradley GT, They only recognize 1981 as the newest car made. I am so crushed  and lost, this has totally blown the wind out of my sails. I am sure that some one has encountered what I am going threw. Any thoughts |
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Feb 1, 2013 11:31:25 GMT -5
Post by jspbtown on Feb 1, 2013 11:31:25 GMT -5
What VIN is listed on the title? The same that is on the pan? Why not apply for a CO kit car title..... www.dmv.org/co-colorado/custom-built-cars.phpThe State may determine you do not need to go through emissions based on the year of the pan and/or chassis. Have you called anyone at the State level to discuss? |
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Feb 1, 2013 12:01:19 GMT -5
Post by centralvalleygter on Feb 1, 2013 12:01:19 GMT -5
I feel your pain. I went through a similar thing here in California. Fortunately, here there was a Senate Bill passed that allows 500 kit cars a year to be reclassified as to their manufacture date by either chassis number, engine number or body number, owner's choice. If the owner's choice is the body number and the year cannot be ascertained from that (usually a frustration on Bradleys, but for me a blessing) it defaults to 1961 as the car's date of mfg (what I chose). It took two years for me to be one of the five hundred (usually all 500 are gone by about 10:00am on Jan 2), but I got it. Yeah! No smog requirements - whatever engine I want to use is legal.
You might Google +"kit car" +"laws" +"Colorado" and see if they have any similar special case laws.
Warmest Regards
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Feb 1, 2013 20:51:14 GMT -5
Post by Cowboy on Feb 1, 2013 20:51:14 GMT -5
Could you buy another frame, transplant everything else, and re-register it as the new chassis?
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Feb 1, 2013 21:59:38 GMT -5
Post by trimagnum on Feb 1, 2013 21:59:38 GMT -5
If you did get a new pan and titled it using the VW title . But if something happens and they find out it's not a stock bug the insurance company might tell you too bad. The above advice is very good and could save you tons of trouble.
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Feb 1, 2013 22:24:15 GMT -5
Post by Dan MacMillan on Feb 1, 2013 22:24:15 GMT -5
If you did get a new pan and titled it using the VW title . But if something happens and they find out it's not a stock bug the insurance company might tell you too bad. The above advice is very good and could save you tons of trouble. Depends on the ins co. All of my buggies are titles as 196x VW type 1 convertible. My GT2 is titled as a VW type1 2dr. My insurance co wanted professional appraisals, pictures included. They know exactly what they are insuring. Cops running my plates, don't know as I have never been pulled over in one. They probably do not know what a type 1 is or they do not have an issue with it. Who cares anyway, the cars are certified, in my name and the ins matches up with the vin. |
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Feb 2, 2013 0:00:42 GMT -5
Post by trimagnum on Feb 2, 2013 0:00:42 GMT -5
If you did get a new pan and titled it using the VW title . But if something happens and they find out it's not a stock bug the insurance company might tell you too bad. The above advice is very good and could save you tons of trouble. Depends on the ins co. All of my buggies are titles as 196x VW type 1 convertible. My GT2 is titled as a VW type1 2dr. My insurance co wanted professional appraisals, pictures included. They know exactly what they are insuring. Cops running my plates, don't know as I have never been pulled over in one. They probably do not know what a type 1 is or they do not have an issue with it. Who cares anyway, the cars are certified, in my name and the ins matches up with the vin. In IL they get a lil more worked up. Car gets impounded you get asked for proof of ownership on all major parts . Then the state police inspect it for stolen parts . Now when that's all done the DMV takes over and decides if it's street legal. This actually happened to a friend with a Laser 917 all because a cop got bored. Since he did have all the proof it only cost $700 to get the new title . The best part is 2 months later a tree fell on his garage and killed the car. So basically it depends on where you live and how by the book the local police are. |
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Feb 2, 2013 3:18:50 GMT -5
Post by zaucy on Feb 2, 2013 3:18:50 GMT -5
Aw man, that sounds like a TERRIBLE experience!
I also am in California and was in danger of going through a nightmare to get my GTII registered, probably the same procedure that "centralvalleygter" went through. However my uncle initially bought my GTII from a guy in California that lives close to me, and because he lives in Montana he left the car at my house. He registered the car in Montana (without its presence!!!), gave the DMV the frame VIN, the VIN on the VW metal tag, and the engine number(maybe?). Montana, without a hassle, registered the car as a "1968 Volkswagon Bradley GTII" under the VIN on the metal VW tag.
Meanwhile I was back at home with nothing to do until school started so I worked on the car to the point where I wanted it and bought it from my uncle. Because the car was already registered, all I needed to do was was a transfer of state and ownership on the title which entailed ONLY a VIN verification; easy enough. They literally just physically looked at the VIN tag on my car and handed me the plates (my turn signals, hazard signals, windshield wiper motor all weren't working at this point).
long story short, Montana seems to register anything and doesn't seem to need much to do so. If you know anyone there, you should give them a call. It's my understanding that California DMV has some of the most strict regulations, so I can imagine you might be able to do this. Like I said, the car was never in Montana, it was at my house the whole time, so this shouldn't be too hard if you know anyone who lives in MT.
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Feb 2, 2013 10:46:43 GMT -5
Post by bigfuninc on Feb 2, 2013 10:46:43 GMT -5
When I was trying to get my Avenger into Canada,I found a company called "Interntional Title Services" 702-435-8371 Belive "Joe" did the job.NO stress service.I have my Avenger in BC CANADA in my name totally legal.Fantstic service.
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Feb 2, 2013 13:38:19 GMT -5
Post by jspbtown on Feb 2, 2013 13:38:19 GMT -5
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Feb 2, 2013 13:43:23 GMT -5
Post by bigfuninc on Feb 2, 2013 13:43:23 GMT -5
I knew about these problems also.BUT my car is legally in Canada and I have registered and insured it.Took about 6 weeks. I would use them again.
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Feb 2, 2013 13:44:37 GMT -5
Post by Roodog on Feb 2, 2013 13:44:37 GMT -5
So I spent the day with the state police yesterday and found out that it would not matter if I changed the pan or even the engine they go strictly by the vin number that they riveted to the dash of the Bradley. But a light to the story is that Progressive insurance stepped up and made a policy for the 1999 Bradley, they never had an issue with the Bradley just the year. So my insurance problem is fixed but the emissions is an issue for me. I have built the engine to a radical 1955 cc with a eagle 120 cam and duel webbers. My gas cap is the screw on marine Bradley style cap so that's a no go as well there. I did buy a nice flip top style but have not put it on yet. As for a smog pump I'm not 100% sure about or how I would even put it on. "F" Colorado politics. I think I am going to look into trying to apply for a kit car title. I have called and talked to one person at the DMV. They never stated to me to try and re title it into a kit car. I just figured that once it was titled and bonded all together that that's what I had.
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Feb 2, 2013 15:47:41 GMT -5
Post by brianboggs on Feb 2, 2013 15:47:41 GMT -5
Most Bradleys never had the tag for the body. Just take it off and register it by the pan VIN. It is in fact a rebodied VW chassis plain and simple. Does the tag on the body match the pan? If it does then the tag came off the VW body that the Bradley body replaced. The easiest way to do this is get a titled chassis to put under the Bradley and title it as a special construction with the year beieng 2013 but meeting emisions of the year of the chassis.
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Feb 3, 2013 17:37:24 GMT -5
Post by Roodog on Feb 3, 2013 17:37:24 GMT -5
No the tag for the bradley is under the pass side front fender. The tag that is on the dash is the one that the state of colorado put on. They are all diff numbers frame engine body and all the numbers are bonded under one vin number now the vin number that the state rivited to the dash.
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Feb 5, 2013 19:05:55 GMT -5
Post by smyrnaguy on Feb 5, 2013 19:05:55 GMT -5
I got 1 little sticker that the DMV inspector stuck to my dash and the other is affixed inside the glovebox. The title has my 1969 VIN number listed with the state issued vehicle number that appears on the stickers. It is registered in NC as a 1970 Bradley. It once had a Pa. vehicle ID plate on it. I think that was in the driver's door opening.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:27:50 GMT -5
Post by gtjim on Feb 6, 2013 18:27:50 GMT -5
I am also having title problems. The previous owner told me that someone told them that if/when I drive it to the hwy patrol for inspection they will impound it and I will be ticketed unless it arrives on a trailer. I have not called for details yet. Any thoughts? Experiences? The HP around here are VERY humorless....
Thanks!
Jim
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Feb 6, 2013 20:49:21 GMT -5
Post by itfitz98 on Feb 6, 2013 20:49:21 GMT -5
Hi...I'm new here....however I'm fixin to buy an invader GT with no title....but I live in TN. We dont have those kinds of problems here. I bill of sale will get you a title or any VW title will work, they wont ever check....EVER.
I got my boat from my brother and lost the titles for the boat and trailer along with the original bill of sale. Made a new bill of sale and all was well.
Trailers under 16' dont need to be registered either.
Maybe you need to find a friend in TN.
OR, I would just get a good vw title and roll with it. The chances of anyone ever checking are slim to none. IMO...
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Feb 6, 2013 21:44:48 GMT -5
Post by jspbtown on Feb 6, 2013 21:44:48 GMT -5
If it does not have a title..and it needs to have a title to register it in most states...then yes. If you drive it unregistered anywhere they can impound it. After all...its not legally on the road.
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Feb 7, 2013 19:17:27 GMT -5
Post by smyrnaguy on Feb 7, 2013 19:17:27 GMT -5
Here in NC the DMV inspector comes to you. Mine was inspected twice in my garage. The first time he took pics of the chassis, VIN# and body before it was even mounted. I was a bit proactive in that I got the paperwork rolling 10 months before I had it ready for the road. By that time the state had already assigned a registration number to it and all the last inspection consisted of was final photographs, checking required safety equipment and lighting and then afixing the stickers. As a 1970 vehicle it is exempt from further yearly inspections.
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Feb 7, 2013 22:18:55 GMT -5
Post by Roodog on Feb 7, 2013 22:18:55 GMT -5
Ya they come to our house here to. Because I have a form of a title on the car i do have a temp plate to take the car to get the emissions on it but it is good for 30 days. So I can drive it around if it was all together. I still have the engine on the stand finishing it up to get it back in the car. I have looked into getting the title transferred into a kit car title but it takes a lot of paper work to get it done. It looks like I am going to try and get the emissions on it and see where it goes and work on the title over the summer.
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Feb 7, 2013 23:32:51 GMT -5
Post by Wyn on Feb 7, 2013 23:32:51 GMT -5
Here in Ohio, you need to go to the DMV and get a temporary permit to drive the car to One of Two Highway Patrol Inspection stations to have the paper work inspected. That is just to make sure you legally own the car. Then they will issue you a new VIN number. You take that to the DMV to get a new Title issued. If they deam you are not the legal owner they take possession of the car and hold it and at a later date have the car crushed. Wyn bmv.ohio.gov/salvage_inspection.stm |
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I bought this Bradley gt1 from a man in Canyon City Colorado witch just bought it from a man in Pueblo just weeks before. Not knowing what he got himself into he bought it for his kid and who didn't want it. I have always wanted a gt1 as long as I can remember. I find this car on crags list. It looked great at first in the pictures. So I took a chance on it and drove the 525 mile round trip to take a look at this thing. It looked thrown together when I got there but for the most part it looked all there, and I was up for the challenge. I was told that he had the title but it was still in the other guys name witch was fine. I took a quick gander at the title and it looked ok to me. It stated that the car is a 1999 Bradley gt... Great 
It raised my eye brow a bit knowing that the Bradley stopped production in the early 80s. I just figured that's when it was so called "COMPLETED". So I throw it on my trailer and drag it home. I have been slaving over this car for seven months now trying to get it done for the summer witch is quickly approaching here. I have the car just about ready to cruse it down the road. So I go down to the DMV to get the title put in my name and get plates for it. STOPPP right there... This title is a bonded title witch means that the car is not a "KIT" car it is a car that was made from a bunch of other parts and the vin off the 1960 bug frame and the 1967 engine vin and the vin off the Bradley have been all bonded to one title number witch is a 1999 Bradley GT! So now I need to have emissions on it every year and it has to be up to 1999 codes regardless what parts are on the car. The other thing is insurance does not recognize the 1999 Bradley GT, They only recognize 1981 as the newest car made. I am so crushed 
